For Yo-Yo, siegswife, & others [About the charismatic mind],
One of the views today of tongues is the same as what the carnal Christians held in Corinth, until Paul counseled them about the proper use of them. What Hillary says above is not correct. Note how she starts in the following:
Paul is speaking of how one has an imperfect understanding of spiritual things on earth compared to the reality and perfect understanding of seeing Christ face to face IN HEAVENLY LIFE
This incorrect view of face-to-face in heaven is one reason we have the charismatic influence today with the rampant misuse of tongues, along with the advantages given to Satan. To the Charismatic, nothing has passed away, nothing is complete, all gifts are still in force.
The expression "when that which is perfect..."refers not to any heavenly arrangement or the return of Chirst. The Greek word here for perfect is Teleon, the use of which is for expressing "wholeness or maturity." The context is for the development of the church from the childhood (spoke as a child) stage to the adult "Teleon" stage, during that era.
The charismatic mind today is guilty of the same thing that Paul criticized the Corinthians about. Now further, and notice the deviation of our topic into heaven and resurrection subjects, which Paul neither implies or says anything about.
When we get to heaven we will really know'. It is all about the promise of a ressurection, not the 'light getting brighter,' which scripture incidentally does not pertain to anything but growth of personal wisdom in worship of God.
This person speaks in absolute confidence without referring to the Corinthians scriptures that we are talking about. She says light-getting-brighter in the context of eventually getting to know when you are in heaven. Well by that time, nothing would matter about understanding the gifts anyway. Meantime there is a no-holds on any of the gifts.
Then she talks about personal wisdom. Well, the reason Paul was there was to correct their ignorance. There was no waiting on their personal widom. Now note the disconnection away from the Corinthians scriptures we are talking about into reading a whole chapter(?) in Proverbs.
Read the whole chapter(?) in Proverbs, and you will see the point of what Solomon was trying to say.
One thing a Charismatics do is they say things with upmost
absolute deceived confidence, and on and on they go. To where, no one knows. If you listen carefully
you will find they don't make sense. Now watch this even further disconnection from our topic of the gifts and tongues, as follows:
This whole idea of revelations being made known gradually to the 'church' is interesting, as it is on exactly the same principle that most other religions feel that God has enlightened them with many of their exclusive doctrines over the passage of time.
Forget Corinthians, right! Just jump over to interpreting Revelation. Then here is the final non-related punch line, as follows:
How do you separate their revelations from WTS revelations?
So, we went from talking about face-to-face in clearity of spiritual gifts to a some unknown whole chapter in Proverbs, into something in Revelation--of which you are now supposed to have a complete study--being compare with the WT: a complete disconnected separation from the topic at hand has occurred. The reason I bring to trial, Hillary's text is because
IT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE EMOTIONAL TONGUE-DRIVEN CHARISMATIC MIND.
That is, while rambling and talking indiscriminently; their logic is usually disconnected; their false tongues are a need for them as a way of life; and their life and worship is entirely based upon needing and expressing experience rather than understanding scriptures. You will have some say they don't do it like those other tonge types do; we're more spiritual. It is all the same.
Any careful reasoning about the scriptures with them gives way to their need for you to have the experience of talking in tongues. Just try it they say. Here let me help you; say what I say. Then you will be enlighted as we are.
In place of fruitage provided by the Holy Spirit, they are taken in by fantascies provided by their own experiences, which Satan make use of.
Also, their tongues puff them up to think they are superior to other Christians. You're never one of them unless you do tongues; well, there are no 2nd class Christians! They sometimes share experiences of their even resurrecting the dead. They really like the slaying-in-the-spirit[keeling over]experience, which is definitely demonic. You see, they are experience driven.
The 1 Corinthians Chapters 12,13,14 are very interesting; however, it takes a bit of calm-time and reason to get the sense of them. The charismatic mind is usually too jumpy to settle into calm reason.
They will discuss things mainly with the intent for you to do tongues so that you can be enlighten like they are. Like the JWs who want you to join the WT, the Charismatic wants you to speak in tongues. Anyone can do it. Pretending at first, they the supernatural will kick-in if the spirit feels you are ready for it.
To some people, anything supernatural is straight from God, not true. Unclean spirits do not want the charistmatically driven mind to slow down and reason.
The bottom line is to study those Chapters without the need to be charismatic. Of course the charismatic might get to you before you study them. They will want your mind for first, then they take away your reason.
